Stone of stumbling and rock of offense ([info]wordweaverlynn) wrote,
@ 2008-04-30 09:28:00
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Fatherhood in the News
US Version: Pimp out your 18-year-old! Put her in movies and in a whorehouse! Summer, a pretty 18-year-old who is an "up and coming" adult film actress about to start working at the infamous Moonlight Bunny Ranch. Summer's father is also her manager, and he not only talked her into working at the brothel, but gives her Brazilian bikini waxes. And tells her in the video that "you have to be every man's sex fantasy," and that (while she's crying, on her way to the brothel, "Look cheerful. This is what was agreed on."

The site is NSFW, because it's a sex-positive site. Even the most liberal, though, are appalled. There are limits.

Austrian Version: Drug your daughter and imprison her in your basement, where you can continue raping her and making her bear your babies. Seven of them, six of whom survived. The Austrian government is worried about the country's image. The father's lawyer admits that incest has been proved -- the DNA tests show that -- but that rape hasn't been.

This one made me throw up.


I bet you can guess what a fun time I had in therapy yesterday. Grieving for Hans Reiser's poor abused kids (yes, I think showing violent movies to a 4-year-old is abuse -- and so is killing your children's mother, generally speaking). And these things. And my own scarred life.


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[info]cbpotts
2008-04-30 04:33 pm UTC (link)
How could it not be rape?!? He locked her in the basement, she couldn't escape, he was the only one with the code -- how in the world could she do anything like consent?

And that first father? What a skeezeball. I have no words.

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[info]serrana
2008-04-30 04:57 pm UTC (link)
Wow, I missed the first one. But, er, yeah. Not Right.

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[info]zarq
2008-04-30 05:41 pm UTC (link)
I can't bear to watch that video all the way through. And I had to walk away from the computer yesterday after reading only part of the Fritzl story. I was nearly sick at my desk. That man is an inhuman animal who deserves to die in the most horrible way imaginable. Those children will never, ever recover from what he put them through. And the courts think that it might not have been rape? She was locked in a basement! She was kept prisoner! Do they actually think consent was involved? What kind of twisted, perverse "logic" does one have to employ to say this might not have been rape?

Stories like this.... we need to screen people before they become parents, somehow. Make sure that they know that making sure their child is loved, cared for and protected from abuse is the most important responsibility they'll ever have. And if they can't live up to that... sterilize them and keep them the hell out of professions that would bring them in contact with other people's children.

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[info]semioticghosts
2008-05-04 11:25 pm UTC (link)
I wish we -could- at least talk to people before they become parents. More than half the caseload at the (adult clinical psychology) service I worked at last year had childhood sexual/emotional/physical abuse backgrounds.

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[info]zarq
2008-05-05 08:22 pm UTC (link)
I would think that you would also encounter resistance from many on this topic as well. It's been years and I know that I'm incapable of talking about my own experiences. But despite that, I spent time working with a therapist before my kids were born because I was concerned enough about what kind of father I'd be to them.

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[info]asqmh
2008-04-30 06:00 pm UTC (link)
I have no words.

I hate these monsters who claim to be human. We won't even go into the "father" aspect. Too triggery and too hard too think through right now.

I appreciate your bringing attention to them, though, hard as they are to process. It's secrecy that lets this shit thrive.

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[info]catamorphism
2008-04-30 06:21 pm UTC (link)
As far as I can understand, there isn't actually any evidence that Reiser killed his wife, besides the fact that he's into SM and therefore must be guilty.

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[info]wordweaverlynn
2008-04-30 07:37 pm UTC (link)
No, it was his friend who was into S&M, not Reiser. The evidence is circumstantial but (IMO) damning. I posted a long piece about it yesterday, with links.

As an internationally known pervert, I would never assume a fellow kinkster was guilty just because of their taste in sex. Nor do I assume he must have done it because he isn't neurotypical -- as a matter of fact, he hasn't ever been diagnosed with Asperger's. This is a sad and complex story, but even allowing for individual quirks, it really looks like he killed her.

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[info]ptor
2008-04-30 07:48 pm UTC (link)
I have a bunch of ex-coworkers on an "workplace alumni" email list. They are all Linux geeks and they've been discussing the Reiser trial non-stop.

What disgusts me, is that they mostly identify with Rieser and make arguments that he was unfairly tried and convicted. Their denial that one of their own could do such a thing is painful to me.

I agree with you: I think he did kill her.

Just my opinion.

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[info]classics_cat
2008-04-30 07:27 pm UTC (link)
I feel sick. :(

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[info]hillarygayle
2008-04-30 07:28 pm UTC (link)
This stuff used to piss me off pretty violently before I was a parent. Now that I am, it puts me in the mood to do massive, inhuman violence to the men who do this to their kids. This is horrific and it needs to be STOPPED.

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[info]hotel_jewelweed
2008-04-30 07:55 pm UTC (link)
The second news story has caused me to take a vacation from the news for awhile, lest I go all hothead paisan on the world. I really did vomit. I really what to do something more productive that going all fetal on the floor of my shower, but it is hard right now.

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[info]mamagotcha
2008-04-30 10:55 pm UTC (link)
Those poor kids. All of 'em. My heart breaks for each one. May fortune bring them peace and solace someday.

I wonder what happened to each of those men, growing up, that broke their "take care of the children" programming? Our primary evolutionary directive as a species is to bring up the next generation safely... and to me, the biggest proof that we're headed even more koyaanisqatsi than ever is the way we're treating our children.

No vomit but many tears and a huge, sad lump in my throat.

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[info]drewkitty
2008-05-03 11:16 pm UTC (link)
>> I wonder what happened to each of those men, growing up, that broke their "take care of the children" programming?

Who said they ever had it? I'm not among those who believe that humans in general, or men in particular, have any programming to take care of children in any way that society does not guide, urge, brainwash or compel them into doing.

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[info]seserakh
2008-04-30 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Last night my boyfriend said he hoped that this man was locked up in solitary for the rest of his life. I said that I hoped he was locked up with a cellmate and allowed to walk among the other prisoners. What happens to people like him in prison is better than he deserves, but it's a start.

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[info]elusis
2008-05-01 03:56 am UTC (link)
Rape should not be used as a punishment.

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[info]vito_excalibur
2008-05-01 05:01 am UTC (link)
Oh, I was thinking death.

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[info]elusis
2008-05-01 05:14 am UTC (link)
I have decided, after a long time of wavering back and forth preceded by my teen/college years which were pro-capital-punishment, that I can't hold with that one either. But I got the definite impression that the comment to which I responded was referring to rape.

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[info]jehannamama
2008-04-30 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Ugh... I'm out of therapy, tho my therapist said I wasn't quite "healed" yet. It hits close to home.

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[info]lyneidas
2008-05-01 01:33 am UTC (link)
I'm just glad it was discovered, and he didn't have a stroke or get hit by a bus in the meantime.

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[info]vito_excalibur
2008-05-01 05:01 am UTC (link)
Wow, that adds a whole new dimension to the nightmare. Thanks?

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[info]lyneidas
2008-05-01 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Sorry...

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[info]wordweaverlynn
2008-05-01 05:30 am UTC (link)
Oh Christ. I never even thought of that.

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[info]lyneidas
2008-05-01 12:23 pm UTC (link)
My apologies for bringing that in. It was just so obvious I didn't think it wouldn't be the first thing on everyone's mind...

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[info]drewkitty
2008-05-03 11:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm a security specialist. His failure to make provisions for escape in the event of fire or disaster, in my arrogant opinion, should be good for a considerable sentence enhancement if not conspiracy to commit murder charges against all persons so imprisoned. A time delay lock (if it existed) would have allowed for escape in a fire.

I've seen fire code regulations for jails and prisons. They are very detailed for exactly this reason.

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[info]drewkitty
2008-05-03 11:23 pm UTC (link)
"Would NOT have allowed for escape in a fire . . ." I left my brain in my other pants, sorry.

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[info]gramina
2008-05-01 04:28 pm UTC (link)
I have seen referenced a claim by the guy in Austria that the hidden door was set to be "openable" if he had not entered it in a set period of time. Whether any of the captives were aware of that, or whether "be openable" should have been translate "open automatically," are both questions. (Since being able to open the door isn't much use if you don't think to try it.)

This is not pointed out to in any way mitigate his crime, but to attempt to minimize nightmares.

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[info]amaebi
2008-05-01 04:19 am UTC (link)
:/

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[info]19_crows
2008-05-02 12:32 am UTC (link)
It's good to remind ourselves that this is big news because it's so, so unusual.

Not that ordinary garden variety abuse doesn't happen too, but something on this scale is really fucking uncommon.

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[info]drewkitty
2008-05-03 11:22 pm UTC (link)
I have to admit that the first story is really, really screwed up. The only surprise for me is that it actually made it to video, and hence to our attention.

Think of her for a poster child for the many, many girls and women who have been victims of this vicious abuse. To play devil's advocate, that to me is a good reason to run with the story and let the viewers decide. Running it with an ad for help hotlines would have been a nice touch.

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